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Posted by CmdrTaco on Thu Aug 05, '04 03:58 PM
from the flushing-the-toxins dept.
DECula writes "Humphrey Cheung has written an excellent article for Tomshardware about what WAS Defcon 12. The combination of talks about a BlueSniper antenna and BlueSnarfing was a good match."

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Hangover? (Score:5, Funny)
by Kenja (541830) on Thursday August 05, @04:00PM (#9892872)
(http://www.netweasel.com/)
Its not a real convention hangover unless your first words after getting up are "oh yea, I married that chick last night". Which is not likely given the male/female ratio at Defcon.
  • Re:Hangover? by mgoodman (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @04:27PM
    • Re:Hangover? by Afrosheen (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @07:22PM
      • Re:Hangover? by Frizzle Fry (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @07:40PM
        • Re:Hangover? by Frizzle Fry (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @08:39PM
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      • Re:Hangover? by gnarled (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @06:14PM
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      • no gay marriage by Zilfondel2 (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @06:40PM
        • Re:Hangover? by slashdot_commentator (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @11:15PM
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          Man (Score:3, Funny)
          by Em Emalb (452530) * <ememalb@nOSPaM.gmail.com> on Thursday August 05, @04:01PM (#9892881)
          (http://slashdot.org/~em%20emalb | Last Journal: Wednesday August 25, @05:54PM)
          Is there another field that has as many useless acronyms and busswords as the IT industry?

          I mean, hell, you can't even describe it without USING A DAMNED ACRONYM.

          Sheesh.
            Re:Man (Score:5, Funny)
            by savagedome (742194) on Thursday August 05, @04:03PM (#9892916)
            IT industry?
            without USING A DAMNED ACRONYM

            See the irony in the post?
            [ Parent ]
            • Re:Man by Em Emalb (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @04:08PM
              • Re:Man by severoon (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @06:24PM
                • Re:Man by severoon (Score:2) Friday August 06, @06:11PM
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              • Re:Man by david.given (Score:3) Thursday August 05, @07:53PM
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              • Re:Man by doombob (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @04:20PM
                • Re:Man by krgallagher (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @05:13PM
                  • Re:Man by WD_40 (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @06:03PM
                    • Re:Man by Keebler71 (Score:2) Friday August 06, @01:51AM
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                      Wall of Sheep (Score:4, Funny)
                      by darth_MALL (657218) on Thursday August 05, @04:02PM (#9892897)
                      I need one of those where I work. Each time you appear on the list, you get docked $50 from your pay :) Now to get it past the management.
                      • Re:Wall of Sheep by AndroidCat (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @04:37PM
                        • Re:Wall of Sheep by gurneyh (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @05:07PM
                            Re:Wall of Sheep (Score:5, Informative)
                            by not5150 (732114) on Thursday August 05, @05:37PM (#9893893)
                            Negative... It started as the Wall of Shame and then was changed to the Wall of Sheep.

                            The reason was there was a guy walking around with a "I F*** Sheep" Shirt. The guys thought that the people who sent cleartext passwords were like a herd of sheep. And the name stuck...

                            Humphrey Cheung
                            Editor - www.tomshardware.com
                            Webmaster - www.not5150.com (300+ Extreme Videos)
                            [ Parent ]
                        SuicideGirls (Score:5, Funny)
                        by xenostar (746407) on Thursday August 05, @04:07PM (#9892970)
                        Omg! There's a suicidegirls password on that board!
                        Wait...where are.... (Score:5, Funny)
                        by cephyn (461066) on Thursday August 05, @04:11PM (#9893013)
                        (http://www.thenakedword.com/)
                        Where are the obligatory 100 pictures of weirded out booth babes?

                        What? It's not that kind of convention?

                        Crap. That's not much of a convention at all then...
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                        Spot the Fed error (Score:5, Funny)
                        by AndroidCat (229562) on Thursday August 05, @04:11PM (#9893014)
                        (http://slashdot.org/~AndroidCat | Last Journal: Friday May 02, @02:57PM)
                        The feds that are "caught" take everything in stride and everyone has a good laugh. [an error occurred while processing this directive]
                        Obviously this breaks some sort of natural law.
                          slashdotted already? (Score:1)
                          by Al Dimond (792444) on Thursday August 05, @04:20PM (#9893092)
                          (Last Journal: Monday August 23, @12:12AM)
                          Is this site slashdotted or do I not know how to click with my left mouse button?
                          pictures (Score:5, Interesting)
                          by SKPhoton (683703) on Thursday August 05, @04:20PM (#9893094)
                          Defcon was great. plenty of pictures [defconpics.org] are up for your post-Defcon viewing enjoyment.
                          Is it just me.. (Score:1)
                          by MinusBlindfold (775913) on Thursday August 05, @04:23PM (#9893137)
                          (Last Journal: Thursday August 05, @06:29PM)
                          or do all of these pictures from Defcon look like they were taken at a giant IRC meet?
                            Fight! (Score:1, Interesting)
                            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05, @04:24PM (#9893149)
                            Anyone know what happened in that fight they mentioned in the tomshardware article? I read this earlier and I was curious.
                              Re:Fight! (Score:5, Informative)
                              by cexshun (770970) on Thursday August 05, @05:48PM (#9894020)
                              (http://www.libbintech.com/)

                              The fight was crazy. Basically the kid told the crowd to go to the Republican Convention and "Fuck up their shit" via any means possible. He told everyone to hack the website, use DDoS attacks, etc. He must be a fucking moron to start talking politics at a hacker convention.

                              Basically, the crowd got pissed at his anti-free speech talk and started giving him shit. Security cut the talk short, and the crowd mobbed the stage to start firing questions at this punk. Eventually, 1 guy got nose to nose with the speaker, which is when he was wisked away by security.

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                              • Re:Fight! by Bryan Gividen (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @08:57PM
                              Did you know...? (Score:3, Funny)
                              by TheKingOfTorts (793076) on Thursday August 05, @04:29PM (#9893202)
                              defcon stands for DEFinitely CONned out of a social life.
                                Team Tsunami (Score:5, Insightful)
                                by blackrobe28 (800788) on Thursday August 05, @04:30PM (#9893206)
                                (http://www.calprov.org/)
                                One of the pic sites has several photos of team Tsunami locked into an epic FPS netgame, complete with multicolored LAN cables and cans of soda, right before showcasing the team learning how to use REAL firearms at one of Nevada's many target ranges.....

                                One might doubt the wisdom of issuing sniper rifles and live ammunition to Counter Strike junkies.

                                • Re:Team Tsunami by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @04:39PM
                                  Good article (Score:5, Funny)
                                  by inerte (452992) on Thursday August 05, @04:35PM (#9893252)
                                  (http://www.inerciasensorial.com.br/ | Last Journal: Friday January 18, @06:56PM)
                                  I only disagreed with a few points raised on it. For example, where it [an error occurred while processing this directive], it was kinda dumb.

                                  On the next page, the analisys [an error occurred while processing this directive], again, very dumb.

                                  Overall, a good article. But in the next time, I think we could see [an error occurred while processing this directive]
                                    Spot the Fed... (Score:5, Interesting)
                                    by hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) on Thursday August 05, @04:38PM (#9893294)
                                    (http://www.earthfuckers.com/gallery | Last Journal: Tuesday August 17, @09:34PM)
                                    ...hehe, i gotta love a tradition such as this: both parties being good sports and enjoying the moment. You know the agents consider being "assigned" to Defcon to be treat - it's fun. New stuff, new tech, new ideas, new kids breaking the system, just good ol' fun as i see it.

                                    Oh lord, the oh-no-it's-not-fun-it's-against-the-law crowd will come out on this one. Seriously though, know thine enemy, what good fortune that you can enjoy the company of said "enemy". Hell, the Defcon kids enjoy knowing the "Feds" are there and will be watching. This is the cat and mouse that i admire and enjoy.

                                    i'm serious, good to see this tradition is still going strong. May both parties always be present, enjoy and learn....and i mean that, both parties. Happy hunting :)
                                    Rifles (Score:4, Informative)
                                    by gclef (96311) on Thursday August 05, @04:39PM (#9893301)
                                    Odd that they'd mention the BlueTooth rifle, but not mentioning the Shmoo 802.11 rifle..same idea, much sexier design, dangerous power levels...like, 13 Watts. They claimed that it was dangerous to stand in front of or behind it while it was on.
                                      Re:Rifles (Score:4, Informative)
                                      by carbolic (616993) on Thursday August 05, @04:56PM (#9893500)
                                      These two rifles are very similar - it's what's hooked up to them that matters. The Shmoo group used a Wi-Fi system with a 27 dB amplifier, while the Flexilis group used a Class 1 Bluetooth USB adapter modded with a cable and bluedriving software. (Note: I put together the wireless hardware used on the the Bluesniper rifle.)

                                      --
                                      Carbolic
                                      www.bluedriving.com [bluedriving.com]

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                                      • Re:Rifles by not5150 (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @05:09PM
                                        • Re:Rifles by Frizzle Fry (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @07:52PM
                                        Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT??? (Score:2)
                                        by javaxman (705658) on Thursday August 05, @04:41PM (#9893329)
                                        So, does anyone know what the "Electronic Civil Disobedience and the Republican National Convention" talk covered, and what the speaker might have said to get someone riled enough that he was attacked ??

                                        Anyone? Details, please!!

                                        • Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by not5150 (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @04:58PM
                                          • Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by jcr (Score:3) Thursday August 05, @04:59PM
                                              Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT (Score:4, Insightful)
                                              by javaxman (705658) on Thursday August 05, @05:17PM (#9893703)
                                              Although I can see the argument that some sort of electronic attack on the RNC cold be a valid form of civil disobedience, I definitely have to agreee with you that this guy is just lame lame lame, for the following reasons :

                                              1) The best you can propose is a DDOS attack? I mean, come on! That's just stupid, and causes collateral network slowdowns as well... how about something useful, like getting into the servers, redirecting to other [georgewbush.org] websites or plain ol-fashioned defacing of main pages? A DDOS attack... it's just so lame...

                                              2) The guy can't even write a decent call-to-arms. "undemocratic will of the people" ? Did someone proofread this crap?? ;-)

                                              And no, I am not advocating that anyone should hack into any computer system, anywhere, because that would be wrong and illegal. No, really...

                                              Besides, individual bodies actually showing up in person all at once would be much more convincing and newsworthy than a website being down for a few minutes. If you want to disrupt the convention, I'm guessing a whole bunch of protesters showing up in person would be more effective than shutting down a website.

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                                          VoIP Speech (Score:4, Funny)
                                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05, @04:45PM (#9893372)
                                          I liked it when the guy figured out the phone number that they were using in the voip speech. He called up and yelled “owned” on the phone that was attached to the PA system, I fell out of my chair
                                          AirPwn (Score:5, Informative)
                                          by Twid (67847) on Thursday August 05, @04:47PM (#9893391)
                                          (http://www.projectjellybean.com/)
                                          Read all about AirPwn, the best wireless remote goatse display app ever used at a Defcon, here:

                                          http://www.evilscheme.org/defcon/ [evilscheme.org]

                                          At Defcon 12 this year my cow-orkers and I brought along a little piece of code called "airpwn." Airpwn is a platform for injection of application layer data on an 802.11b network. Although the potential for evil is very high with this tool, we decided to demonstrate it (and give it its first real field trial) on something nasty, but harmless (compared to say, wiping your hard-drive)

                                          airpwn requires two 802.11b interfaces, one for listening, and another for injecting. It uses a config file with multiple config sections to respond to specific data packets with arbitrary content. For example, in the HTML goatse example, we look for any TCP data packets starting with "GET" or "POST" and respond with a valid server response including a reference to the canonical goatse image.


                                          (Hugs toast!)

                                          • Re:AirPwn by AndroidCat (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @05:18PM
                                            • Re:AirPwn by ConsumedByTV (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @06:07PM
                                              • Re:AirPwn by Toast (Score:2) Thursday August 05, @06:08PM
                                                • Re:AirPwn by AndroidCat (Score:1) Thursday August 05, @06:57PM
                                                  • Re:AirPwn by arkane1234 (Score:2) Friday August 06, @03:20PM
                                                    • Re:AirPwn by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday August 06, @05:17PM
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                                                Knows what he's talking about (Score:2, Interesting)
                                                by carbolic (616993) on Thursday August 05, @05:24PM (#9893760)
                                                Humphrey is totally in the field with his Tom's Hardware write-ups. Remember when he was the pilot Warflying [slashdot.org] over LA?

                                                Later that day, I talked to the fed who got nabbed in that spot the fed video [tomshardware.com]. He was running Kismet when he got called up. Others around him whispered "He can't be a fed, he's running Kismet". Don't be fooled. I think some of these fed types dig technology as much as any hacker.

                                                The Bluesniper rifle by the guys at Flexilis is so cool - I built the bluetooth gear for them from the kits on my bluedriving.com site. And I had a chance to look through the scope at DefCon, but didn't get to bluesnipe anyone with it yet.

                                                The Shmoo Group has another rad wireless sniper rifle they showed at DefCon. (I think the Flexilis guys got the bag on Shmoo this time for walking in the first day carrying the rifle.) Check out Shmoo's build-it instructions: LINK [shmoocon.org]

                                                --
                                                Carbolic
                                                www.bluedriving.com [bluedriving.com]

                                                  Miners strike (Score:2, Informative)
                                                  by totierne (56891) on Thursday August 05, @05:34PM (#9893842)
                                                  (http://www.geocities.com/totierne | Last Journal: Sunday May 18, @06:10PM)
                                                  There is a story about the miners strike in England 1983-84, that the [fascist] state tried to have automated tape recorders to record any miners strike conversations, but everyone was talking about it then, and so the tapes ran out.

                                                  From the Article:

                                                  'The volume of information being seized for forensic analysis has mushroomed. It is not uncommon to see multiple terabytes of storage being examined. Agents said that some cases are approaching the petabyte range. Usually is because of emails and email attachments. Only with the development of better search techniques can the evidence be examined, as it is physically impossible to read every single email in many of these massive cases. [an error occurred while processing this directive]'

                                                  Sounds like a challenge to blow their storage capacity and search capacity, blow your Broadband upload and download limits, you know you want to, it is for a cause (the development of better search algoriths of course, or sedition, or both).

                                                  I reckon they store everything and look back at their logs when something crops up through less automated means.
                                                  Electronic Civil Disobedience (Score:3, Informative)
                                                  by Eightlines (536572) <brent@eightlines.com> on Thursday August 05, @05:37PM (#9893887)
                                                  (http://www.eightlines.com/)
                                                  For those curious about the Electronic Civil Disobedience hubub, the Inquirer [theinquirer.net] has a couple paragraphs on what happened.
                                                  BlueJacking... (Score:1)
                                                  by kword (802483) on Thursday August 05, @05:58PM (#9894122)
                                                  Speaking of BlueJacking et al, here's a nifty little Bluetooth utility that runs on cell/PDA and can fulfill your, errr, communication needs :-)

                                                  If you are able to get past the horrible English, that is.

                                                  http://www.net-cell.com/mp/index.html [net-cell.com]
                                                    defcon is the only place (Score:4, Funny)
                                                    by el stevo (580437) <.moc.oohay. .ta. .cytsalpelbide.> on Thursday August 05, @05:59PM (#9894141)
                                                    where nerds don't have to drink alone with their imaginary friends!
                                                      Bluejacking (Score:2, Informative)
                                                      by Alwin Henseler (640539) on Thursday August 05, @06:13PM (#9894257)
                                                      (http://www.alwinh.dds.nl/tops/)
                                                      You'all might not want to skip this site: bluejackQ.com [bluejackq.com]
                                                        The KR1PT0 Car. (Score:3, Informative)
                                                        by a.out (31606) * <brad@xyuEINSTEIN.ca minus physicist> on Thursday August 05, @06:59PM (#9894632)
                                                        (http://www.xyu.ca/)
                                                        Seeing theKR1PT0 Car [www.xyu.ca] parked out back of the hotel was pretty cool.

                                                        The bumper stickers are the best part.
                                                          SSH Attacks (Score:3, Interesting)
                                                          by Nishi-no-wan (146508) on Friday August 06, @12:22AM (#9896717)
                                                          Was this conference the reason behind a large increase in SSH attack attemps over the past two weeks? The past few months had been relatively quiet in regard to SSH attacks (I was wondering if I'd been cracked and they weren't being reported any more), but I've been getting multiple attempts pretty much daily for the past two weeks. What's up?
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                                                          New competiton at DefCON 12 TCP/IP embedded device (Score:2)
                                                          by L0stb0Y (108220) on Friday August 06, @03:42AM (#9897341)
                                                          (Last Journal: Thursday April 29, @01:03PM)
                                                          The most technical competitions at the CON were the Rootfu, Robotics, and the TCP/IP device competitons.
                                                          The Lockpicking contest was raw skill as well.

                                                          LosT
                                                            Re:what does... (Score:4, Informative)
                                                            by natron 2.0 (615149) <ndpeters79@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Thursday August 05, @04:10PM (#9892996)
                                                            (http://petesweb.spymac.net/ | Last Journal: Wednesday May 07, @04:37AM)
                                                            DEFense CONference
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                                                              Re:what does... (Score:5, Informative)
                                                              by 5m477m4n (787430) on Thursday August 05, @04:10PM (#9893004)
                                                              (http://www.haaspc.com/)
                                                              DEFCON stand for anyways?

                                                              In the Government it stands for: DEFense CONdition or DEFense readiness CONditions
                                                              [ Parent ]
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                                                              Re:Where da white wimmen at? (Score:1, Redundant)
                                                              by natron 2.0 (615149) <ndpeters79@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Thursday August 05, @04:16PM (#9893054)
                                                              (http://petesweb.spymac.net/ | Last Journal: Wednesday May 07, @04:37AM)

                                                              good ones here from DEFCON 12...

                                                              http://www.timekiller.org/gallery/SomeChick
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